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Museum levels (18)


il Numpty >> sunday september 29 - 17:36, Edited friday november 25 - 21:14

As requested by Mustafa I have produced a formula for calculating the weekly income from the Museum. 

As can be seen from the reference table below, the Construction costs increase by 20,000 RSD per level and the building time by 0.2 days per level, so these are easily predicted. 

https://rockingsoccer.com/en/soccer/help/facilities/facility-museum

The formula for the weekly profit is:

  • 37.8*L^2 + 602*L - 640 (RS dollars)

Where L is the museum level (excluding level 1)

This predicts the weekly profit at levels above 100 as follows:

  • L110 - $522 960
  • L120 - $615 920
  • L130 - $716 440
  • L140 - $824 520
  • L150 - $940 160
  • L160 - $1 063 360
  • L170 - $1 194 120
  • L180 - $1 332 440
  • L190 - $1 478 320 
  • L200 - $1 631 760

(Updated 25 Nov 2022)

Since a few clubs are now over level 200 I've added the following as a guide up to level 300: 

  • L210 - $1 792 760
  • L220 - $1 961 320
  • L230 - $2 137,440
  • L240 - $2 321 120
  • L250 - $2 512 360
  • L260 - $2 711 160
  • L270 - $2 917 520
  • L280 - $3 131 440
  • L290 - $3 352 920
  • L300 - $3 581 960

(Just to be clear that these are predictions from the formula, but are believed to be accurate.)

All figures given in RS dollars.

(Divide by 1.5 for GB pounds, multiply by 100/0.81 for JPY and multiply by 6.25 for CNY.)

E&OE

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tr Mustafa >> sunday september 29 - 20:39

Thank you so much.  You did a good job.

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il Numpty >> sunday september 29 - 22:29, Edited sunday september 29 - 22:34

Perhaps an equally useful formula is the total cost of construction to build each museum level.

The formula for the Total construction cost is:

  • 10,000 * (L^2 + 17*L + 32) (RS dollars)

Where L is the museum level.

For example, the total cost to build museum level 50 is 

  • 10,000 * (50*50 + 17*50 + 32) = 33 820 000 RS Dollars

Similarly, the total cost to build museum level 100 is

  • 10,000 * (100*100 + 17*100 +32) = 117 320 000 RS Dollars

The total cost to build museum level 150 will be 250 820 000 RS Dollars.

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il Numpty >> wednesday february 17 - 11:23, Edited monday december 12 - 14:32

I thought I would update this thread with some extra info.

Rate of Investment

One aspect that may not be obvious is that as the construction time and costs increase each level invests roughly the same amount per day. So although the higher levels do seem a lot more attractive they are in fact all pretty much the same. You invest roughly the same amount per day and it takes a similar length of time to return the investment. Although once you add on the extra building time the higher levels actually take a little longer before returning the investment.

Some examples to show this.    (All without staff)

  • Level 12 - costs 400,000 RSD over 5 days, so 80,000 invested per day and it takes 272 days to return the investment.  (Plus building time.)
  • Level 100 - costs 2,160,000 RSD over 22.6 days, so 95,575 invested per day and it takes 266 days to return the investment.  
  • Level 200  - would cost 4,160,000 RSD over 42.6 days, so 97,653 invested per day and take 265.24 days to return the investment. 
  • Level 300  - would cost 6,160,000 RSD over 62.6 days, so 98,402 invested per day. 

The construction (investment) cost for museum level L is:

  • $ 10,000 * (2*L+16) 

The building time for level L is:

  • 0.2*L + 2.6 days

The amount invested per day for level L is:

  • $ 10,000 * (2*L+16) / (0.2*L + 2.6) 

As L tends to infinity then the amount invested per day is $100,000. This is the maximum potential daily investment although in practice you probably won't get over $98,000 [level 237]. 

Total Construction Time

Level 300 sounds great, but how long does it all take? 

Assuming no delays so each level starts immediately, then the Total Construction Time for Level L: 

  • (L^2 + 27*L + 42) / 10 days

This gives us the Total Construction Time for the various levels:

  • Level 100 - 1274.2 days (3.49 years)
  • Level 150 - 2659.2 days (7.28 years)
  • Level 200 - 4544.2 days (12.45 years)
  • Level 250 - 6929.2 days (18.98 years)
  • Level 300 - 9814.2 days (26.89 years)

With Staff

The fastest way to build is with 2 museum staff and a CM all at level 10. This reduces construction time to 17.5%, so the maximum potential investment is $571,000 per day or $29.7 million per season.    

Total Construction Time with 3 staff (all level 10):

  • Level 100 - 223.0 days (0.61 years)
  • Level 150 - 465.4 days (1.27 years)
  • Level 200 - 795.2 days (2.18 years)
  • Level 250 - 1212.6 days (3.32 years)
  • Level 300 - 1717.5 days (4.71 years)

Total Construction Time with 2 staff (Museum and CM):

  • Level 100 - 446.0 days (1.22 years)
  • Level 150 - 930.7 days (2.55 years)
  • Level 200 - 1590.5 days (4.36 years)
  • Level 250 - 2425.2 days (6.64 years)
  • Level 300 - 3435.0 days (9.41 years)

(E&OE - Please feel free to point out any possible errors)

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eng Stephen >> wednesday february 17 - 11:38

Those building times are eye watering 

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il Numpty >> wednesday february 17 - 11:45, Edited wednesday february 17 - 11:45

Yes.

One thing that I'm trying to show here is that it's best to ignore the level numbers as they confuse the issue.

The daily rate of investment stays the same regardless of the level number - and this is what is important.

50 days of building the museum gives you more or less the same return whether it's building 10 levels at the bottom or level 237. 

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@numpty my point is that if a manager invest 600M on museum for a higher level over 4.7yrs.
really worth it.
il Numpty >> wednesday february 17 - 12:10, Edited wednesday february 17 - 12:13

The question I think you are asking is whether it's best to have 2 catering staff for maximum short term income versus building with 2 museum staff for maximum long term income. 

To make a fair comparison you have to compare building with 2 museum staff - and a CM - with 2 catering staff and also building the museum with 1 museum staff and a CM. 

1 Catering + 2 Museum staff versus 2 Catering + 1 Museum staff

Making a few assumptions (full stadium and L10 staff and eventually you double staff something else), my (very) rough calculations show that it would take around 6 real-life years for the 2 different incomes to equalise. By which time the double Catering option is about $3.5 or $4 billion ahead. So once the income for the double museum option gets ahead then it still takes a few more years to break even.

Yes, it's true that in the very long term using 2 staff to build the museum is the best option, but the payback just takes far too long. 

However, if you're starting out with no stadium and no fans then just building the museum might well be the best option, although I haven't worked that out.

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exactly what i wanted to know @numpty.
the second staff on catering gives an extra $1,595,200 over 19 games. in 15 season or 2yrs, is just a total bonus of 270m after maintenance.
when i should have rather invest on level 200 during that period.
il Numpty >> wednesday february 17 - 13:10, Edited wednesday february 17 - 13:17

Okay, let's briefly look at your numbers. Assuming you want to use 2 staff for 15 seasons to generate maximum income and then after 15 seasons you double staff the FA. 

With a full stadium a second (L10) catering staff will get you an extra $175 million over 19 matches. In 15 seasons that's an extra short term income of $2.6 billion. 

In addition if you build the museum using one staff for 15 seasons then you will invest around $275,000 per day or $14.3 million per season. That's $214.5 million invested over 15 seasons. Once the investment has been repaid then after 15+ seasons this will give an increased museum income of just over $60 million per season. 

If you build the museum with double staff for 15 seasons then the numbers will be roughly double those for using one staff. Twice the amount invested and double the income, about $120 million per season. 

So after 15 seasons would you prefer $2.6 billion in the bank plus an income of $60 million per season or just $120 million per season?

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ng Don-x⭐Ⓜ dedicating s75 league&cup titles to hi >> wednesday february 17 - 13:25, Edited wednesday february 17 - 13:29
@Numpty yeah i get you now.

is the second staff bonus am calculating only,
already i always get the first 110% bonus.

what am trying to point out is the influence of the extra catering staff, which increase the bonus by just 1.5m, equals 30m per season.
il Numpty >> wednesday february 17 - 13:57, Edited wednesday february 17 - 13:59

Let me try and clear that up then. With 2 staff the effect is multiplied.

Catering 10 without staff ===> $19.935 per ticket (converted from GBP) 

One level 10 staff (110% extra) gives 210% ===> $41.86

Second level 10 staff (110% extra) ===> $87.91

So the second catering staff gives you an extra $46.05 per ticket. With a full stadium this is $9.21 million per match or $175 million per season. 

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ng Don-x⭐Ⓜ dedicating s75 league&cup titles to hi >> wednesday february 17 - 14:43, Edited wednesday february 17 - 15:06
thanks @numpty

where i got it wrong was counting the bonus as 150% when second L10 staff is appointed.

but is rather 210%.
That means
you get extra $3,988,000 for the second staff alone which returns $75.8m per season, and $12,362,800 for both staffs per 200k att.
il Numpty >> wednesday february 17 - 15:34

Do you want to send me a PM with your calculations rather than clutter up the thread. 

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