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English >> Real life soccer

Illegal football moves? (6)

eng holt >> wednesday december 15 - 05:49

This was flagged as a foul:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-ZG7VAAvkU

This has more or less died out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQTWahyhIPw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9shQBBXd4A

What prevents players from still performing these tricks? If one could perfect the seal dribble then it could work pretty well.

From Wikipedia:

"Performing a seal dribble in a game is legally dubious under the 2019/20 version of the Laws Of The Game. Law 12 which covers fouls, defines "playing in a dangerous manner" as any action that threatens injury including to the player themselves, by preventing an opponent from playing the ball due to fear of injury.

As a seal dribble keeps the ball up in the air and close to the player dribbling, only challenges involving an opponent trying to head the ball away and a goalkeeper grabbing the ball or punching it can possibly be legal. Both of these have a clear risk of injury to the players involved. 

A referee can decide to award a free kick to the opposition should a player attempt a seal dribble in a manner that risks injury, and can caution the seal dribbler for unsporting behaviour for showing a lack of respect for the game."

Sure, football culture can be called into question as well, but this rule seems very opaque.

eng holt
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ca Alex Seymour >> thursday december 16 - 04:01

I once had a theory that if you could grow your hair long enough and weave it into a basket shape, your keeper could then simply place the ball into the said hair basket. Then you run the length of the pitch to the opposing goal and simply tilt your head and let the ball role out and into the net.

Repeat as necessary to get a win.

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eng holt >> thursday december 16 - 15:18

It isn't unsporting if it's comical eh?

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eng ipfreely >> tuesday december 21 - 08:36

"only challenges involving an opponent trying to head the ball away and a goalkeeper grabbing the ball or punching it can possibly be legal."

Isn't this the same as for any header? Apply that same logic annd the rule bans heading the ball, doesn't it?

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eng Stephen >> tuesday december 21 - 08:41

That's Wikipedia for you

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eng holt >> wednesday december 22 - 16:59, Edited wednesday december 22 - 17:00

The law book (here I'm reffering to the IFAB one) is extremely muddled in several places. For example on page 100:

An indirect free kick is awarded if a player:
impedes the progress of an opponent without any contact being made

Don't defenders "impede" the attacker when the ball is rolling out for a throw in/goal kick and the defender isn't within playing distance? If what defenders do really is "unsporting", then why are attackers allowed to literally run into the defender when they lose the ball and obtain a free kick?

Why can the keeper collect from a header and not from a pass from the foot?

On page 101:

Playing in a dangerous manner is any action that, while trying to play the
ball, threatens injury to someone (including the player themself ) and includes

preventing a nearby opponent from playing the ball for fear of injury.

A scissors or bicycle kick is permissible provided that it is not dangerous to

an opponent.

Why are bicycle kicks in a corner situation not flagged as a foul?

Mandzukic's goal in the CL Final should have been chalked off too.

Also, the six second rule is never imposed and there's nothing preventing a team from placing anything within the goal,along with many other problems...

I feel "Unsporting behaviour" mostly comes down to the footballing culture. If you were to see some highlights of the South African league, you'd agree that half the team would be sent off in Europe for unsporting behaviour.

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