Numpty >> 週三 九月 23 - 10:23

I thought it might be interesting to see the financial history of club growth. To give a clearer picture I have removed transfers and constructions costs from income and expenses and listed them separately. 

This gives a picture of what it's like trying to grow a small club from nothing.

I started playing in Season 41.

Financial History

All figures in GBP (millions). (Multiply by 1.5 for RSD)  

Season 41 

• Income 20.0 
• Expenses 3.9 
• Normal Operating Profit 16.1 
• Profit (Loss) from Transfers (0.9) 
• Construction Costs 10.1

Season 42 

• Income 26.6 
• Expenses 9.8 
• Normal Operating Profit 16.8 
• Profit (Loss) from Transfers 4.6 
• Construction Costs 20.3

Season 43 

• Income 39.0 
• Expenses 18.0 
• Normal Operating Profit 21.0 
• Profit (Loss) from Transfers 12.3 
• Construction Costs 35.7

Season 44

• Income 58.2 
• Expenses 25.3 
• Normal Operating Profit 32.9 
• Profit (Loss) from Transfers 20.8 
• Construction Costs 47.1

(End of Starters' Bonus)

Season 45 

• Income 56.7 
• Expenses 35.6 
• Normal Operating Profit 21.1 
• Profit (Loss) from Transfers (3.4)
• Construction Costs 16.7

Season 46 

• Income 67.1 
• Expenses 38.8 
• Normal Operating Profit 28.3 
• Profit (Loss) from Transfers 43.7
• Construction Costs 2.9

Season 47 

• Income 71.7  
• Expenses 41.3 
• Normal Operating Profit 30.4
• Profit (Loss) from Transfers 14.8
• Construction Costs 89.8

Season 48 

• Income 93.8  
• Expenses 54.3 
• Normal Operating Profit 39.5
• Profit (Loss) from Transfers 33.1
• Construction Costs 26.1

Season 49 

• Income 111.5
• Expenses 55.6 
• Normal Operating Profit 55.9
• Profit (Loss) from Transfers 160.2
• Construction Costs 271.9 

Season 50 

• Income 112.3
• Expenses 58.4 
• Normal Operating Profit 53.9
• Profit (Loss) from Transfers 25.2
• Construction Costs 0

Season 51 

• Income 161.3
• Expenses 85.3 
• Normal Operating Profit 76.0 
• Profit (Loss) from Transfers 47.1
• Construction Costs 45.4

Season 52 

• Income 203.3
• Expenses 94.7 
• Normal Operating Profit 108.6 
• Profit (Loss) from Transfers 60.1
• Construction Costs 41.0

Season 53 

• Income 229.0
• Expenses 104.7
• Normal Operating Profit 124.3  
• Profit (Loss) from Transfers 146.7
• Construction Costs 24.1

Season 54 (As of Week 31) 

• Income 162.4
• Expenses 67.6
• Normal Operating Profit 94.8 
• Profit (Loss) from Transfers 123.3
• Construction Costs 147.5

Lukas Lava >> 週三 九月 23 - 11:43, 新編輯 週三 九月 23 - 11:50

Nice to see those numbers... 

Can you also give the numbers of how high your levels of your buildings were when the starters bonus stopped? 

Just to know if i'm doing ok or not... :D

Numpty >> 週三 九月 23 - 12:23, 新編輯 週三 九月 23 - 12:24

I haven't kept a record of buildings, although I may have posted some stuff in an old thread somewhere. From what I recall I think I was on Stadium 8 and TC 10 at the end of the bonus.  My priority was building the stadium and fan shop.

Lukas Lava >> 週三 九月 23 - 12:25

Wow...

Ok thanks!

Numpty >> 週三 九月 23 - 16:07, 新編輯 週三 九月 23 - 16:12

Thanks @Andrei.

@ Lukas.

It's taken me a while to figure it all out but I have been able to document my construction programme to date. (Mostly using the historical construction costs.)

During my 4th season (Season 44) prior to the end of the starters' bonus we built the following:

TC 10, YC 8, Catering 7, Stadium 8 and Fan Shop 8. (Office 7 was started  just before the bonus ended in the first few days of Season 45.)

So the facilities at the end of the bonus were:

• Training complex 10
• Stadium 8
• Scout's office 7
• Fan Shop 8
• Youth centre 8
• Catering 7
• Office 6 (Upgrading)
• Health Centre 7

These are the seasons when the other buildings were paid for, but not necessarily completed.     

• S45 - Office 7, Catering 8, Scout 8 & Museum 1-2
• S46 - Museum 3-15 
• S47 - Stadium 9 & Fan Shop 9
• S48 - Catering 9, Health Centre 8 & Scout 9-10
• S49 - Museum 16-17 & Stadium 10  
• S50 - (nothing due to building Stadium 10) - 
• S51 - Fan shop 10, Catering 10 & Office 8
• S52 - Office 9 & YC 9
• S53 - YC 10
• S54 - FA 1

Lukas Lava >> 週三 九月 23 - 17:06

Ok nice to see your progress ;) 

One more question abortus your stadium progress... die you play against all human teams (with more fanbase) then you? So you could progress your stadium rapidly? 

In my situation there are like 5 or 6 human teams with more fanbase then me... so i need to wait until i have 4 of 5 games that my stadium is sold out.... against bots it's not so easy...

Almost ready for upgrade to lvl 4..  but i think that my progression might get stoppen because of lack of human players in my division....

So i would need to promote to a higher league... and that's another tactical approach...

Numpty >> 週三 九月 23 - 17:52, 新編輯 週三 九月 23 - 18:00

I've essentially played all my matches aginst bot teams. Even the few real managers that start new clubs in my league have very low popularity so it makes no difference. 

The stadium attendances came from aggressively building my own fan base. For instance, popularity at the end of the starters' bonus was a little over 1.5 million, which gives roughly 34,000 attendance against bots (including stadium staff and 20% live attendance.) Based on current growth trends I anticipate being able to fill Stadium 10 against bots in a little under 2 seasons.   

Lukas Lava >> 週三 九月 23 - 18:12

Ok good to hear :D 

Numpty >> 週三 九月 23 - 18:20, 新編輯 週三 九月 23 - 18:23

Just to add that there are 2 key aspects of the starters ' bonus. You can ignore the double stadium income because it's hardly worth anything with a small stadium.  

But the 50% buidling speed and the double popularity are what counts. I tried to make the most of both of them. In addition, the way Vincent has coded the double popularity bonus it's actually worth more then double, maybe 3x. With Fan shop 8 and the 'double' popularity bonus I recall we added a little over 500,000 popularity during the final season of the bonus.

Lukas Lava >> 週三 九月 23 - 18:45

Yeah i'm trying to focus on stadium and fanshop to.... 

But if i can't upgrade stadium i upgrade something else... just to constantly be building something and not waiting and doing nothing

Balthazor >> 週三 九月 23 - 19:05

When I started my second team, I took the goal to start with TC10 at least on starter bonus period and stadium as far as possible. I let YC somewhere on level 4-6 longer time and bought in quite young squad to play in first team, replacing players who fell out from first team. As they were young, I earned always some profit after selling them and could afford better and better young players when TC was ready.