cn 鹿城okok U21 vs. cn SalySuning U21

cn U21 league [4]
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Free Online Football Manager Game

This is a virtual football match between 鹿城okok and SalySuning on the football management game Rocking Soccer. Thousands of managers compete against each other in this game with real-world soccer rules and competitions but fantasy players and teams.

Rocking Soccer is an online manager game about football. No download required, you can instantly start playing in a world with thousands of other real players.

Manage your own football team in this innovative fast-growing soccer manager game. Expand your club, decide your line-up, win your matches!

We take pride in our high-quality game concept and our attention to realistic details. We are also the only online soccer manager with a 2D live match engine where you can see your players move. Will your tactics lead to victory or defeat?