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FRUSTRATION (Season 25+) (10385)
At least I'm allowed to be frustrated this time. It's nearly 12hrs I sold my player, yet the transfer is pending.
The market is terrible, selling players one week long and need to sell them very cheap.
Not a straightforward answer @pii, but essentially yes, keepers fall more rapidly as they get older. But not 45 per se, it's a continuous acceleration.
Warning don't read any further unless you want a headache.
There are a number of reasons for this that affects all player and not just keepers. This is only a summary.
1. Star value starts to drop when the rate of decline of attributes exceeds the amount of xp being earned, and this accelerates with increasing age. This occurs at around age 30 for outfield players and about 40 for keepers.
2. The attribute decline is a percentage of the amount of times trained. So older players with more training have more to lose.
3. For the same reason the relative loss is even greater. For instance, a player with an attribute value 5.00 at 50%, would have a base value of 10.00 at 100%, and a further 4% drop will see it fall from 5.00 to 4.60. So it will drop faster than a 4% drop with a younger player - the same value of 5.00 at 80% would fall to 4.75 at 76%.
An example combining the above points
A forward has 200 scoring trainings, equivalent to 10.00 at 100%. At age 30 he will have an age adjusted attribute value of 8.22, a loss of 1.78 - and this will fall by a further 4.16% every season. If he get trained at a rate of 6 trainings per season then at age 31 he has 206 trainings and an attribute value of 8.04 and at age 32 he has 212 trainings and an attribute value of 7.83. This continues as 218 (7.60), 224 (7.34), 230(7.06), 236(6.75).
The seasonal loss of the adjusted value is 0.18, 0.21, 0.23, 0.26, 0.28, 0.31. Although the age decline of the attribute is a straight line at roughly 4% per season, the loss of the adjusted value accelerates as he gets older.
The above is true for all players.
For keepers the effect is even greater with increasing age. At least up until they reach 10%. This is because the age adjustment for Blocking is a curve and not a straight line. The curve gets continuously steeper with age and reaches its maximum decline at age 46-47.
Any more detail would be too complicated and no-one wants to read that. Congrats if you got this far!
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Keepers don't increase at age 46. That's when they have the fastest rate of decline.
The age factor reaches 10% at age 47y19w and only then do they increase slowly with more training.
I wasn't intending to do this but in case anyone is actually interested the rate of decline of Blocking at any point on the curve can be derived using calculus.
Please don't ask! And it's probably best to ignore me if you value your sanity.
For convenience I will call the Age Factor x and the normal rate of decline for the Age Factor y.
The rate of decline for Blocking = y / [4 * x^0.75]
In plain English that means divide the normal rate of decline (y) by 4 and then divide again by the 4th root of the Age Factor (x) cubed.
For example at age 30 the Age Factor is 82.2% and the normal rate of decline for other attributes is 4.16% per season.
The rate of decline for Blocking = 0.0416 / [4 * 0.822^0.75] = 1.205%. Which means the decline rate is roughly 29% of the normal rate at age 30.
After age 30 the normal decline rate stays fixed at 4.16% per season but the Blocking rate gradually accelerates until age 47y17w (10.12%) when the decline rate maximises at 5.80%.
If you got this far then you're probably just as nuts as me. :D
@Numpty: "If you got this far then you're probably just as nuts as me".
Why go that far and go nuts??
Don't need to go nuts to play a game well!
I think that Numpty meant that thinking that deeply can do your head in. Sometimes it's better just to play the game and get a feel for it, but having it thoroughly explained helps clarify what we already feel, but can be a bit mind-bending. That's how I see it anyway.
Yes. Maybe it was poorly worded. It was a somewhat tongue-in-cheek recognition that most people's eyes probably glaze over at that level of detail.
Incidentally, I was answering @pii about older keepers, but someone might wonder how this compares for younger keepers.
All players start their decline at age 21 and a few weeks. Initially the age factor declines slowly at a rate of 1.733% per season. Blocking declines at 25% of the normal rate, which is 0.433% per season, so it's hardly noticeable. This increases from 25% to roughly 29% of the normal rate at age 30.
Regarding that 36+ rated keeper. That's a very high price when he's about to fall off the cliff. My estimate is that with his current level of training he'll drop to roughly 17.70 by the time he's 47. Although with further training this will likely be around 20 rating.
My staff member is 53 and he's retiring !?!? :D
They're supposed to retire between 55 and 65.
My staff member is currently not in any position, but he is highly skilled in every facility. Can I save him from retirement by giving him a responsibility right now?